This is a continuation of the last two posts. Now the emails get personal. Please note I’ve removed references to my personal email. I’ve decided to go with anonymity with this blog, and though anyone on this email thread will likely recognize it, I don’t want to make it too easy.
ANTAGONIST (Reply just to me)
By the way, Contrarian, you should take another look at Thomas Jefferson’s quote since the will of the people elected Bush for two terms. And, it’s all in one’s perspective what tyranny entails. I saw many American’s supporting decisions made after 9-11. You should thank God, or whomever you pray to, that you don’t live in Iraq and are able to criticize the government because you wouldn’t have been privileged as a woman or a citizen to do so. What happened to Human Rights? If you are so found of free speech, why are you in (Redacted – FC) within your email address. Do you know that the links that you sent come up as fraud and unsafe to open….
WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE AND HOW DID WE GET ON YOUR EMAIL LIST! Please remove us from any future ranting of yours!!!!!
Contrarian – (reply to her only)
I think what it comes down to is that I disagree with you and listen to your perspective, while you disagree and tell me to shut up.
That is what’s un-American.
(Redacted – FC) is my email address because that’s what it is. I sign my name to all emails and (Redacted – FC) is not a block or a device to hide who I am, but a simple reference to the fact that I like (Redacted – FC). Whether it ends up in your junk mail is not my concern. My emails get to those who matter to me.
I pray to no one. I am proud to be an American, however I don’t believe that gives us the right to invade sovereign nations because we feel like it.
Oh, and the argument “You should shut up and be grateful you have the right to criticize the government and stop criticizing the government” is patiently absurd. I am not an Iraqi, I am an American. But if I were an Iraqi you can be assured that I would not shut up and hide in my home and hope things get better. I would speak. I might suffer for it, but I would speak.
The Jefferson quote is not about elections, it’s about free speech, and the rights of people to speak up if they don’t like the way the country is going. Freedom of expression is a right enumerated in the Bill of Rights, our Constitution’s first amendment, and is vital to our character as a country.
I am on the same email list you are on. I didn’t ask to receive the Obama email and it was your choice to engage Partner in discussion of his joke. By replying all, you opened the door, don’t have another tantrum because people out there dare to disagree with you.
ANTAGONIST – (private reply)
I’ll pray for you. Your tantrum ends here…goodbye….
ANTAGONIST – (a later private reply to my last public response)
Seems to me that you are politically aligned, too.
Contrarian – (private)
I’m sorry, I thought you were done.
I made no secret of my political affiliations, but again you miss my point and ignore the argument. My point is that you ignored a baseless and racist attack on Obama in order to defend against a humorous jab against Bush. You ignored one attack because you didn’t care about the attacked, and counter-attacked another because you were politically affiliated with the target.
My entire reaction to the Obama email was to second Step-Aunt’s request not to be included on that sort of email because, like her, I find it offensive. That was all.
This whole flame war got started because you chose to take Partner’s attempt at humor to heart and launch into a mini-tirade about how people are so mean these days. I found it ironic that you were prompted to speak up over a joke but not a genuine racist attack, which in my mind is a far greater offense. If someone had implied that Bush was unfit to be president because he was a “cracker/honkey/white devil” then I would have been equally offended, because that is racist and inappropriate. Since, however, he was merely called a “turkey” I don’t see why it’s worthy of such an outcry from you.
The bulk of my argument against your position comes from your apparent desire to silence everyone who disagrees with you. I come from a position that the first amendment is sacred, and that everyone, including you, has the right to express their opinion. I have the right to publicly criticize the president, just as you have the right to publicly support him. I find your “sit down and shut up” mentality offensive when applied in the context of a simple satirical joke. Satire and criticism are appropriate, and often welcome in political discourse. Racism and lies are not.
This is where I stand. I don’t expect to change your opinion, but I ask that you respect mine. You will not hear anything further from me, as I believe this conversation has played itself out.
Partner (reply-all in a public parallel thread)
I’m sorry to have caused offense or ill feelings to anyone, but I must speak my mind…
I see nothing good in this turkey. For far too long, he has lived in the lap of luxury. While decent people work hard every day of their lives, he has had everything he ever wanted handed to him, freeloading off of the good, hard working people around him. If you mentioned “Earning a living” to him, he would probably just cock his head to the side and look at you funny.
He struts around caring very little about how his actions affect those around him. He’ll do whatever pleases him and expect other people to clean up his mess, and oh what a big mess he leaves. He’s well known for putting his nose in other people’s affairs while maintaining the attitude that those affairs trampled his nose. He’s simply callous and uncaring, and there’s no way to convince him of the errors of his way.
You can’t even carry on a coherent conversation without him making some rude and often obscene gesture. Some say it’s due to lack of intellect, but that’s a matter of opinion.
My only consolation is that our good president has dealt with this menace in a manner suitable to his kind… with a side of mashed potatoes and gravy.
Now that that’s settled… What’s all this fuss over President Bush?
ANTAGONIST (reply all)
WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE AND HOW DID WE GET ON YOUR EMAIL LIST? I have never heard from such insensitive and uncaring people in my life! You should be ashamed of yourselves. You were so upset over Obama, but you have no conscious over destroying the reputation of another human being that you don’t even know except through the media. Oh, and we surely believe everything the media hands us on a silver plater. You should all thank your lucky stars that you are Americans and not Iraqi’s because you’d probably all be in jail or worse if it had remained under the rule of Hussein. I’m proud to be an American–Love It or Leave It.
Antagonist
Partner (final public response)
… I was talking about the bird… it was a joke. I was tried (and obviously failed) to lighten the mood with an extended play on words.
I never slandered our president, I merely found a humorous photo of him with a turkey. He obviously thought the situation was funny also, otherwise he wouldn’t be pulling that face.
I’m sorry for the confusion, but just to be clear, in all instances when I said “turkey” I was referring to the bird. When I was relating how this turkey had never worked a day in it’s life, I was again referring to the bird. When I first responded and mentioned that I didn’t like this turkey in the whitehouse… I was referring to the bird in the photo taken somewhere near or around the whitehouse.
Again, sorry for the confusion, apparently, humor is not a laughing matter, so let’s end this.